Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:00:47 AM UTC #

This will be painless and quick.

First, I'll point out that I'm a huge podcast consumer. I've listened to at least 500 hours of audio via podcasts in my daily commute, and have been doing so regularly since ~2005. I've installed every major podcast client, even Carl's Pwopcatcher, to see what works for me.

Criteria

I'm looking for a podcast client that will help me a) get a list of all current and past episodes of all my shows, b) download them, c) automatically and without fuss, d) so that I can play them in my car.

That's pretty much it. In the table below I'll add a feature checkmark for products that do exceptionally well at certain features. I'll also call out unique bad features in the table as well.

Podcast Client Roundup

Feature description Juice Doppler iTunes FeedStation
Automatically downloads new shows YES YES YES  
Permits you to download past shows YES YES   YES
Consistently and successfully completes downloads YES   YES YES
Allows you to schedule downloads for later (e.g. 2AM)   YES    
Bittorrent integration (for DNR) YES YES    
iTunes podcast directory     YES  
'I already have iTunes installed' bonus     YES  
'I hate the crapware iTunes installs extra' bonus     YES  
'Juice kills podcasters' bandwidth by redownloading' YES      
'Juice crashes more than it closes gracefully' YES      

Conclusions

Juice is the best client for most of us who:

  • aren't satisfied with the little sandbox iTunes gives you,
  • can't be bothered to manually check each item for download (as FeedStation would have you do). I have 24 feeds, and I just synced, and it turned out to be ~180 new shows. Had I been using FeedStation, that would have been 180 manual "hey I like this episode, let's download it" clicks.
  • cannot abide by Doppler's frequent failed downloads. Doppler, you guys are the best, MINUS this one big bad bug! Fix it and I'll switch!

Unfortunately, as is also stated above, Juice is the worst client for any podcast producer. I know for a fact I've downloaded the entire ARCast catalog 4 times (and it's huge). This is probably due to the way Juice stores and compares new podcasts with its podcast download history—the history is so finicky that whenever someone republishes an item in their RSS feed, whether it's to change the date published or even something a human wouldn't notice, chances are good that we (those running Juice clients) will re-download all republished items. Individually, this ends up costing Ron Jacobs (or whoever foots the bill anyway) $0.10 for another 1GB of extra bandwidth every time Juice "starts over" on his feed. Well, who cares, you say, it's only ten cents. Sure, it's ten cents for you, me, and the other 100,000 podcast listeners using Juice. That's a lot of dimes, and there's no end in sight.

So while Juice is the best podcast client available today, you'll never see any podcaster recommend it. They can't afford a 2x-10x jump in their bandwidth bill.

But, just as a secret between you and me (you being the 3 people reading this): use Juice. Or, if you can stomach the limited featurest of iTunes, do that.

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Wednesday, June 04, 2008 1:25:45 PM UTC
Your perspective would surely change a bit if you listened to podcasts on an mp3 player.

With iPod + iTunes, it really is dead simple. And once you listen to an item it gets marked for removal, which is cool.

Zune 2.0 (1.0 lacked explicit podcast support) is what I use, and combined with the very decent Zune software (again, 1.0 sucked big time) I'm really liking my podcast experience. It understands that there are video and audio podcasts and when I listen to them on my Zune they turn gray and are removed on the next sync.

It has hiccups, but I've tried every tool you have up there and I'm pretty happy with the way Zune handles it.
Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:00:42 PM UTC
Yeah, I should probably put a disclaimer that I don't use an iPod/Zune. But I still don't forgive iTunes for going out of their way to block downloads of past episodes. So for example, had I attempted to use iTunes to subscribe, episodes 1-5 of the Stack Overflow podcast would be lost to me. And that's just ridiculous.

If I had an iPod I'd probably still use Juice for podcasts, but use iTunes for the syncing (I guess I'd have to use iTunes...).
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